Well, they love Big Brother. Just like Winston Smith.

Remember what Obrien said: "We make the brain perfect before we blow it out."

Happy 4th of July, slaves!

What really creeps me out are the people on the BoingBoing board posting things like "This camp does not sound that different from jail, except that it allows the inmates to leave once they are rehabilitated, no earlier, no later. Isn't that what we WANT from jail?" or talking about how this article only makes Tranquility Bay only "look" scary from the outside.

The creepy "happy graduates" are 'only' the products. I fear the people I semi-cited above. They could be producers. *shudders*

And the funny thing about the jail comparison is that, last I checked, not many first-world countries send their teens to a full-blown jail for what most see as good reasons....

One of my younger friends was sent to this kind of place by his obnoxiously rich (and apparently rather uncaring) parents a few years ago. I guess they thought his mild drug use and poor performance in school were enough to warrant it. They only had to employ an "escort" when he ran away (to) home from the first place they sent him to, though. He could receive mail, but only after it had been screened by his parents and the camp, so none of us knew what was really hapenning to him or even where the facility was.

He was released about two years after I moved to Canada, and our mutual friends told me that he'd really changed. We haven't had any contact yet (he apparently gave a cold shoulder to our friends too), but I'm hoping to see him if I make it down to ILC this year.

PS - I don't have anything to do with the "Vlad" that posted earlier.

I wonder if police or human rights groups know about this by now. Torture and brainwash this is.

well i was in tranquility bay for 2 years. i lived it. i changed, but the place is jail, i changed in the matter that i neva wana do that again. i went two years dreaming of freedom. it sucked, but im still me, same ol g from miami. i dont do drugs or none a dat. but it was hectic. i used to get beat. tortured or how they say it "restrained" for dumb stuff like talkin. trus me it was hell. and "when i die i know im goin to heaven cuz i done been in hell"

I was at this place from Jan 2001 - June 2001. this was one of the worst experices of my life. There was no freedom what so ever. I had no contact with the outside world. They abuse kids. I remember several instances when kids arms were broken as a means of 'dicipline'. This place is not right.

*shiver*, damn, this place sounds like hell. The wrost part is that I've heard worse stories about this place. A girl had killed herself, I heard the story. A boy had said that on his way to the nurse he saw a woman run past screaming to the nurse. Later on he found out that a girl had jumped off one of the buildings. They had used towels to hold her up to take her to the hospital and gave him his back with a large spot of blood on in. He didn't get a new towel for weeks and had to use that one. Again, *siver*, I'm gunna have nightmares about this place.

P.S. If anything I said sounds a little too extreme conpared to what it was like for you, please tell me. I don't like knowing false infoirmation, and if it turns out this place is not as bad as IU've heard, I'd like to know.

What do you mean by the Invasion of Utah? I'm unfamiliar with the term...
...but I agree about this horrible place. There are so much better things to do if your child is misbehaving...and so many of the parents who send their kids there have few or no valid reasons.
Like a boarding school from hell, and the parents don't have to worry about the kids getting vacations...

The Invasion of Utah (1857) - Brief History Lesson - A substantial part of the Utah population had to be taught a serious lesson, subsequent to Brigham Young's idiotic decision to declare Marshall Law against the United States Government, on the belief that those same Utahans could act contrary to the Rule of Law. The nexus lies in the beliefs of the people referring to, owning, advertising on behalf of Tranquility Bay, that they can do in Jamaica what is expressly prohibited on US soil to American Citizens.

Here is a new link for an open forum on the Tranquility Bay issue.

http://www.bulletinboards.com/view.cfm?comcode=Titsch

The "survivors' discussion board" is unavailable. Anyone know where a similar thing could be found? I (and others) might find it greatly useful.

i went there for 9 and 1/2 months. the place is jail. its total hell. dont listen to any other bullshit. they abuse u, torture u, and feed you shit! fuck tb!

I just Left TB on friday. I turned 18 and decided to leave. They convinced my parents that since i didnt graduate to send me off somewhere else. Im from maryland and i was sent to LA with only $100. The ammount of manipulation they do to your parents is excessive and many of their tactics are out of control. Something needs to be done because the environment is horrible. I left there feeling like i lost part of who i am.

Hey Joe:

I sent a message to your AOL mailbox. Take a look and write back if you're inclined. I received a call from a survivor's parent (of one of the WWASP Programs) who is concerned about your situation and wants to present you with some options.

Richard Titsch, III

hey i have hurd nothing but horrible things about this place, someone very close to me just got sent there can anybody who has been there befor or has knowledge about this place give me anymore info?

I just Left TB on friday. I turned 18 and decided to leave. They convinced my parents that since i didnt graduate to send me off somewhere else. Im from maryland and i was sent to LA with only $100. The ammount of manipulation they do to your parents is excessive and many of their tactics are out of control. Something needs to be done because the environment is horrible. I left there feeling like i lost part of who i am.

Posted by: joe on November 20, 2003 10:17 AM

Hey Joe. Check the email account. Theres a lot of info for you there. If it is unavailable for some reason, email me or rick. Either one of us can help.

One of my really good friends got set to this hell hold...and i don*t know why his parenst did that to him. so i need information about this place to see what he*s goin* through. if you have any...please give it to me!

I need information on Adam Zimmerman who is still at Tranquility Bay. If you know anything about him - talked to him while you were together - I would like to hear from you. I have not heard from him since the end of August. I would like to hear about his condition and treatment. You can reach me at MZKOOSER@AOL.COM
Thank you

I have a cousin who was sent to TB in March, and I haven't heard from her since. If anyone knows about who I could contact about getting her out of that place please e-mail me. Thanks

If there is anyone who has pictures of TB i wonder if i might see them via email or contact me ...i am a documentary filmmaker who works a lot in Jamaica doing research on this camp.Thankyou. R.

i have many pictures of the facility. i left the facility in may of this year, i was there for 27 months.

michelle you may not know my grandson Adam because I understand that girls and boys were kept seperate. But if you know anything I would be gratefull. We don't want him there, for that matter I don't think any human should be there according to what I hear. I would be interested in sharing your pictures as well. Can you e mail them? Contact me please and share anything you know. mzk

reading above, just to clarify. i never in the 2 and 1/2 years i was there, saw a child get broken arms, i see alot of this page is how many unfactual opinions and alot of it is bullshit, yea it sucks gettin sent away, sucky food and cold showers, it wasnt spotless , i never contracted a disease from the uncleanliness, tell me if they had hot water, great food, no rules, would we want to leave? nope i wouldnt

i need information on the condition of amanda cambell. i care for her safety greatly and i would apreciate more knowledge about her. you can reach me at chaseme76@hotmail.com

i was at tranquility bay and it fuckin sucked it was the worse time of my life and i will kill the owner mr Jay Kay the first chance i get.... remember me mother fucker your going down

I think that many of the people whom have attended this program would unanimously agree that on a compliance level of understanding change for better, this program meets it's requirements, on the other hand, on behalf of rules and regulations based on one's self-limiting beliefs and bad character you are you own restraints. It's really all up to you! Remember these adolescents earned there way here, so it encourages you to inquire knowledgeable skills that will absolutely benefit you in future goals as a civilized person. I attended this program and it wasn't the best treatment at first, clearly by not being affiliated with "being away from society" for such long periods of time but any lifeblood of an organization that puts forth the real understanding of how people in the real world are even behind there own closed doors truly deserves respect from some aspect. any questions feel free to contact or e-mail me please! sincerely Ali

I think that many of the people whom have attended this program would unanimously agree that on a compliance level of understanding change for better, this program meets it's requirements, on the other hand, on behalf of rules and regulations based on one's self-limiting beliefs and bad character you are you own restraints. It's really all up to you! Remember these adolescents earned there way here, so it encourages you to inquire knowledgeable skills that will absolutely benefit you in future goals as a civilized person. I attended this program and it wasn't the best treatment at first, clearly by not being affiliated with "being away from society" for such long periods of time but any lifeblood of an organization that puts forth the real understanding of how people in the real world are even behind there own closed doors truly deserves respect from some aspect. any questions feel free to contact or e-mail me please! sincerely Ali

I think Tranquility Bay has un-fair rules that should not be followed for there is no use for following those rules. Teens will not learn from some of the rules that have been given. The treatment is also unfair to the teens. It is harsh and uncalled for. These teens may misbehave but treating them that way isn't necessary at all. I have read articles about the 'punishments' and they are too strict for nothing. The teens get punished for only little things and that makes it truley unfair. I think Tranquility Bay is un-fair and that's all you'll hear from me.

- In & Out -

it's not fair? what program is? what rules would u follow in the program? thats maybe the reason why kids get so "cruel" punishments is b/c even after being sent there, they act up and how are the staff suppose to control them, and dont look at the they beat us b.s. cause that aint true....

i was at the place called tranquility bay, anyone that wants factual information can email me at russellmathews03@yahoo.com

I am really interested in knowing about TB! Please email me with any information.

Hey, I was at Tbay from march 2001-july2002. I was there when a girl committed suicide, I actually watched it and got sent to the hospital in Jamaica. That place was hell. Anyway I went home did crappy and got sent back to the program in Mexico. I'm cool now though, I go to a Big 10 college and am doing fine. Email me if you were there also

i was at tb for 10 months after being at spring creek for 14 months and they are both a fuckin prison

I was at TB for 6 months. From may 21 03 till thanksgiving.It was hell and the place finally rebelled and riotd the place for a while.Then even the people who did not do anything at all were punished. We sat in an unclean room with no showers and very little food.For breakfast we got 2 slices of bread same for lunch and dinner we got bread and beans I swear to god.We stayed in that very same room like this till I left and as far as I know they still are.I was in the unity crew and TO MARY I KNEW ADAM REAL WELL>

wow, i had no clue this existed. i was in jamaica for three years. i was the the 69th student to be sent there. sweet jesus, that was hell. i swear, i came out of there with more issues than i went in with. did anyone else feel socially inept when they got out?

ps:who was there between '97 - '00?

I was there for 2 years from 2001-early 2003. TB is a fucking hell hole. What you don't know just reconsider sending your kid there. Whatever they say about TB is more than likely true. Yeah kids messes up all the time in their whole life. Just listen to what they have to say and be supportive. Trust me you'd rather do that than sending them to a prison if not more worse than a prison if I might add. They treat you like shit. Yeah they show a nice picture of the dam place on their website and the video about them showing fuckers on jet skiis smiling and all happy and shit, hell no it's not like that. Shit the pictures that they show you is prob 20 years old or something maybe older. That place look about 300 years old I swear. Shit, the walls were dripping hell no what when I was sleeping. Mosquitos were crazy as hell. Thousands of them we called them "mosquito mafias" but I'm not gonna get into that. All in all, I would rather leave the memories there behind and not think about it, instead.., using my experience to help other parents that are thinking to send their kid to TB. Oh yeah if I might add, once you sign the contract theres no way of breaking it unless you want to pay hell of alot more money than you already are. And the case about the girl suiciding.. I was at TB when it happended so its completely true. So if anyone wants any information or just want to give me a shout out if you remember me when I was there just email me at charliexdallas@aol.com (aka asian God Father) I'm not gonna get into that either. Well have a nice day.

Why the hell hasn't this hole benn shut fer good.Can't any of you guys get together and go real public like maybe you local Rep. It doesn't sound like A place US. people should be stuck in. Maybe ther is too much $ involved?? In that case forget the politician. Just keep talkin. I will.

I just read about this place in the latest edition of Teen Vogue and started researching it. I can't believe the amount of brainwash that is involved and not just with the kids but also with EVERYONE who's involved (ie teachers, community memebers, and especially parents.) Michelle, I think it's terrible that you have actually fallen prey to their lies and bullshit. How can so many kids that are finally released from hell be wrong? Why are parents so willing to simply give up on their own flesh and blood? If I can recall correctly the use of cruel and unusual punishment is strictly prohibited in the US so why is this place that is clearly run by the US still allowed to be in business. Mr. Kay is one sick fuck. He'll be in his own hell once he's sent to prison for torturing hundreds of innocent children. I wish all of you have been there true happiness and the ability to heal yourselves. Good luck!

i was there back in 98. i thought the girl who commited suicide did that in 98 when i was there or maybe this happened more than once? anyways, cant beleive its still open and that parents still send their kids there. you thought tb2 was bad you should of checked the tb3 facility in aligator pond(i think?). what a shit hole. made tb2(the hotel) look like fuckin paradise. im 22 now and far from a manipulitive teenager anymore and ill vauge for everything these kids have said besides for staff breaking arms. although i wouldnt be suprised if that has happened. yah the place looks like hell, but its what goes on inside that makes it the living hell that it is.

I was in tranquility bay 99'-00', it sucked ass i never did drugs before but i started after i gotout of there,man they fuck you up,make u lay down on ur faace onsome dirty ass floor,feed u shit, restrain and make u scream, i got restrained almost every day there,i have ingrown knee hairs fromlaying on my face and getting restrained by the likesof mr. bent,mr steve powell,its been so long im forgetting.but any one email if they were there when i was. ill be glad to talkk about it

I just got out of TB this last week. They tried to get my parents(who they manipulate) to send me to the streets. I am Ryan Mann and anyone whos been there for the last year knows my name because I was beaten and tortured more than any other person in the program. Something needs to be done about this place because most kids can't fight back like I did to get freed. If there is any news people or any one else out there who would like to speak to me or know the the truth just e-mail me at ibjammin4ever@msn.com

Hi i just want to say for what ive read on this page i feel like crying. My cousin ryan went through this crap. When America finds out about this shit they will fight back. I am just shocked that anyone would beat some one like my cousin describes it. That is such bull. I hope who ever is running that program goes to jail and rots there. Please if you have any more info about the subject dont heisitate to e-mail me back at ibjammin4ever@msn.com

Alex I don't know which America your talkin about.
Tons of people in Ameica know about Tran Bay and sO WHAT It still goes on. Count congressmen in that mix. Amazin ain't it??Follow the money and who it supports.

Divine for your info we have already done so much that you cant even imagine. The people that we talked to that had there family members call my cousin their savior. If you choose not to be belive in what we can do the thats your damn fault.

hey Lynnette, I think I remember you. I was there from November 97 - December 98 in Knowledge. Then I was transferred from TB to Cross Creek. Since I've been home I haven't been able to do anything on my own. The worlds going on outside...but im not in it. I totally relate to feeling i came out of the program with many more issues then I went in with.

Alex The point Iam trying to make here is that a lot of peopple are doing a lot of things to make places like TB shut down BUT it still is an open secret. Don't stop what you are doing but be aware there are serious roadblocks out there. Reports about similar places have been out since 98!!!!

I think that we have a good case going. The more people that we get involved the better and more believeable our case will be. I am trying my hardest to get TB and places like it to shutdown. I dont see how a parent could send their child there. I would never in a million years send my child to Jamaica. I have seen the scars that my cousin has from that place and it makes me so pissed that anyone could hit a child like that its bs. I hope to get this place shutdown because no one should have to live with that. So to the people that have been there this is for you. :(

tc... it makes me so happy to hear that at least we save one person and we hope to save a lot more. Be happy your soon well never go to that horrible place. Be happy that your son will never be tortured by those cruel Jamaicans like my cousin had. I really am truely happy to hear that we helped your son. :)

thanx alex........trust me i will tell everyone i can....i can't get the horror out of my mind..tc

Hello everyone...I was in Tranquility Bay in 1999...I was first placed in the facility with no girls and the cows that wandered through the field...I can't remember what name we gave it but I remember vividly the train that passed on the side of the mountain every night (that was going to be a means of escape). Then I got sent to what I believe is the current location by the shore, with both male and female. Anyway I made a few friends in there and would like to hear from them sometime (Danny Ubeda, Brian), also I would like to know how my young friend who was always in OP is doing now...Justin Farmer...everyone should know him from that time period... So I just found this sight and it flooded me with emotions and memories (not all bad). That's the problem...Both sides of this argument are pretty extreme...one side says it's all bad the other says it's all good... The fact is we, the "students", had to create some sort of enjoyment out of this horrible place and we did...I became very good friends with a lot of these guys and in that sense have some good memories... I also was very introspective during my time there, and that was positive...What wasn't was the constant screaming, hitting, raw fish(it still had the freaking skin on parts of it) and the education. I was 3 months away from completing High School when I was sent down there...3 years after I got out I finally ended up just getting my GED and have yet started college...I firmly believe I would be almost through college by now if it wasn't for that damn program. I don't exactly know how I was influenced by the program. Sometimes I think I'm tougher, sometimes I think I might be screwed up a bit...It can be good to go to bed at night listening to one of your friends screaming as if he's dying on a fairly regular basis...It can't have helped me too much to have been placed in OP 3 times...It couldn't have been too healthy to not understand why I was somewhere I knew nothing about and not be able to ask anyone I knew about it...I don't know if any of you out there remember the Seminar in, I think June or July, of 1999 in which death metal was played and we all just started beating the crap out of each other for a good 15 minutes...that couldn't have been too good for us... Ah...I did escape one night though...Me and Brian scaled down one and a half stories out of our window (Our room was at the front of the facility, the only one without bars at that time)jumped a couple walls and ran like hell...They caught up to us about 3 miles down the road...that next week sucked...to say the least...Well I've talked enough for now...I'm living in Seattle now...I know a few of the guys were from Seattle...I'd like to get together with some of you again...please e-mail at JKing222222@comcast.net...please

HI I WENT TO THE PROGRAM TRANQUILITY BAY AND TRUST ME YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THAT PLACE IS LIKE UNTIL YOUR ACTUALLY THERE. I WAS THERE FOR 15 MONTHS. SOMETIMES I LITERATLLY THOUGHT THAT I WAS IN HELL. IT TRIES TO BRAINWASH YOU. YOU HAVE TO TELL EVERYONE(I.E. PARENTS AND REPORTERS) THAT EVERYTHING THERE IS SO GREAT. BUT NO CHILD DESERVES TO GO THROUGH THAT. THERE ARE FAR BETTER ALTERNATIVES FOR EVEN THE WORST KIDS. I DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS ALLOWED TO GO ON… MAYBE BECAUSE ITS OUTSIDE THE U.S.. BUT I DONT EVEN LIKE TO THINK BACK TO BEING THERE

Tranquility is a house of horrors i was in that hell for 2 years i agree with you all no one deserves to be put through that shit down there in that place i was beat and molested from the fucking staff down there i have been out for about a year now and i still havent been able to forget about that hell and move on it creates more problems then you actually have but when you leave there you have them it fucks up your whole life it took me one whole year for the college board to approve my hs diploma from that place and i still have nightmares from the shit that goes on down there. and the ghosts and shit i am not an easily spooked person but all the damn ghosts and images i saw down there like one time i was in the shower and it was dark out and me and my friend john saw this man walking around the corner in a staff uniform but his whole body was kinda faded and when we went around the corner to look the image was walking through the fence to the beach well i have to go but if anybody was in there from 01 - 03 i might know you so email me

I am very glad I found this page. Without going into great detail, I will simply say we were considering this for our 16 year old son and in listening to all of you, I now have serious doubts. For those of you suffering, I am sorry. Alot of you have said that there are other alternatives. Please give a desperate mom some suggestions! It is not my desire at all for my son to be removed from our family. He is very loved, but what does a parent do when you see your child heading for prison or fearing that they may die and you have tried every other kind of intervention? Thanks for listening to me ramble! Good luck to all of you!

i read about t.b in an english magazine and it shocked me. i am willing to do somthing about this place but i live in england and need more inside info about the actual company. anyone PLEASE email me with whatever you think might help so we can get rid of these discusting places once and for all!!!!
P.S to ANY parents even considering putting their child in one of these places, DONT DO IT!!! ive read up on this place and it would be like condeming your childs free will to death.

BEX'S EMAIL ADDRESS IS RADIOACTIVEPOOH2002@YAHOO.CO.UK
AS I SAID ABOVE PLEASE HELP ME HELP THESE POOR KIDS FROM THIS HORRIFIC PLACE!!!!!!!!

Hi you may have read what i wrote earlier. If you guys really want to get rid of these places here are some online petitions you can go to and sign. www.petitiononline/mod_perl/signed.cgi?130662 and www.petitiononline/mod_perl/signed.cgi?4621
thanks and god bless :)

sign these petitions to stop these places www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?130662 and www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/sogned.cgi?4621
thank you!!!! :)

mb.... check out diamond ranch academy....

MB Be very careful of short post which "sugest"checking certain places. That post didnot clearly identify itself. Watch out for the umbrella group that have many many different "places" all with the same method to "cure" your teenager.You should know everything and every inch of the facility for boarding a child. Listen to those who have been in captivity. Devine

devine, great word of caution to mb.....you are right..but in this case..i'm just a mom who almost sent her son to tb...but after reading this site and then doing a lot more research i found diamond ranch to be exceptional...just trying to save her some time and money that's all.....tc

to TC.....Interesting that you should mention the short post as saving time and money. I am more interested in saving young humanity. Fast jumping on "answers has resulted in agony for many children. The specific facility you mentioned has been a WWASP compound. Is it still? Parents and guardians be very afraid. Go to these facilities, see every room there. Get opinions from PROFFESIONAL people in the field with real creddentials, then check the credentials!!! Take the time or you are neligent.

Hi Friends of Tran Bay... Youwill be happy to know tricks of the trade at Tran b. are alive and working. I was told by the powers that be that my grandson has changed his mind and doesn't want to leave TB. Apparently we are to believe that all ther is so wonderful that even though he is 18 he doesn't want to go. He knows that we have everything ready for him and will support him in his exit. Even sent a copy of his airline ticket by fax to the big man. So what do you think guys want to give me some feedback. Can ou top this?

Hi everyone, I know that this place is very bad and it should be shutdown for good. Can some of you guys please email me and give me some suggestions on what we should do to shut the horrific place down. I dont see how any parent and stand to look into their abused childrens eyes and think that they did the right thing by sending their kid to a place where they beat your kids for $80 a day. I just can't believe that. Well i got to go but plz if you have any ideas please email me and tell me them. Bye!!! :)

to TC & Devine-Thanks for the advice. I requested the accredidations and credentials from TB on April 14, 2004 and to date, I still have not received this information. Believe it or not the people that suggested this place didn't have that information so she said she forwarded it to the director and of course as I said I haven't heard back from them since. I spoke with 5 "families" that supposedly have their children in TB, of course this information was provided by the people recommending it, so who knows who these people were and what kind of a kick back they might be getting. Thanks again for saving me from the biggest mistake of my life!

well alex, i hope you get this. i cant get your ewmail from your name at the posted by: but i was there in success. please contact me. i think i might know who you are

I went to a place just like TC but in Utah and it was fucking hell if you don't listen they tackel you on the floor and take your clothes off and put you and bright pink clothes it was Provo Canyons School

Hi Maggie,
I know thats your opinion but you have no right to say that. These kids have been to hell and back. There is no resons for these people to be treated the way that they have been. Nice try but no ones buyin it. Have you seen what these kids wrote. It breaks my heart just reading about this.

i was at TB from january 7th 2002- august 28th 2003, I am also a graduate of the program, and I still don't belive that all the stuff they do at Tb is neccasary, all though i belive that it helps, i just don't think they know how to run everything. please email me at steve694show@yahoo.com

I can see how you, Maggie, would stick up for the program. Congrats on graduating. But I would like to hear how you are doing in about 2 years from now. Of course youre going to say nice things about the program now, youre still in it and getting ahead. The program messes with your emotions.... I wonder if thats what YOU really think and feel about the program or if you started to believe all the stuff they told you about how wonderful it is and how it saved your life.

Mary- they probably started scaring your grandson way before his 18th birthday. I've been in groups with people about to turn 18... They tell them they're not going to make it. Or if they tell them they might have a slight possibility of making it...they say it so insincere you dont believe a word theyre saying. They tell them they will give them $50 if they walk out. No comfort in the decision to want to be home with your family. Going home before graduating is inacceptable to them and they will put that in his mind everyday until he makes the decision to stay with them.

I am happy to see that people are coming to this place and learning about this place. I mean these jamcians might be doing this for good intentions but they obiously have no clue what their doing. Beating a kid senseless is not gonna make them do things. Especially if the kid is hard headed. I mean sometimes there can be a punishment of some kind but not to the extent of someone killing their selfs to get away from this crap.Well i got to go but like i said before im happy to see that people are noticing this place.

Well, my grandson is home from Tran Bay. He seems ok considering the program there which is repressive to say the least. He will not however contact anyone from TB and share experiences with them, this concerns me. Perhaps he feels he is done and does not want to look back.

i had inquired about TB as a solution to help my son, and am so thankful to all of you whohave posted about their dsipline tactics, and am shocked that they pose to be a thereputic facility when none of the jamaicans there have any experience in psychology. the restraint could be acceptable for violent out of control individuals but not accecptable as punishment. im curious as to the quality of education then read that the teachers sit in the back and no teaching goes on... This is rediculous and every one involved better know that god does not like ugly and what is going on at these WWasp is very ugly. these kids need tough love, and i am thankful to say i will not besending my son there, for the trmendous $$$ i will get him quality couseling and take to jamaica to see the real beauty of the island, im sorry those kids dont get to see that, and they advertise that its a cultural experience... to what? learn to hate Jamaicans? remember Bob Marley said Get up stand up stand up for your rights! another question? did they manditorily cut your hair? my son has locks like the rastafarians and is half jamaican and i shudder at the thought that they are trying to brak spirits instead of giving them the support and tools to better themselves... thanks again and dont stop telling your story it save my son and will save others
one love one aim one destiny

Well, if you ask me, Tranquility Bay is a bunch of b/s! I was in CSA and then I went to TB for 6 months and I hated EVERY minute of it. I saw kids get the shit beat out of them and I don't think anyone should ever have to witness that, much less go through it!! Anyone who's been there email me at ChaChee07@yahoo.com

I have a son that has been in the program for 6 months. They are starting to talk about sending him to Jamaica. The office has asked for his state id twice. I haven't sent it because I'm afraid to let him go. He has not advanced at all in the program, so I have not been able to talk to him or see him. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get him motivated to start working the program so that he won't get sent to Jamaica? He will be 18 in 6 more months.
I'm sorry for the physical and emotional pain you have all suffered. I pray that mine will come home not scarred from this. Any input or information will be greatly appreciated.
Carolyn

Carolyn I can't stress strongly enough that you should NOT send your son to Jamaica. This facility is all about MONEY. I will tell you it is very difficult to get him back once he goes there. You also will not be able to see him for close to a year. I bet you are going thru a difficult time but FIND OTHER PARENTS AND A COUNSELOR YHAT YOUR SON CAN TALK TO. Don't let him think you are simply getting him out of your hair. Believe that is exactly what he will think. No one wants to fail, he needs a way to succeed. TB is NOT it. The child I got back is now in counseling to clear up the mess they made of him. Listen to the survivors AND listen to him if he tells you about abuse. Devine

if you've never been to Tbay.. dont worry about it.. and if you have.. you're not there anymore.. get over it... move on.. ok so we all know it sucks ass.. next topic.

Blair why dont you shutup. The whole reason this formum is here is so we can talk about it. If you dont care then just leave. Thankz Buh Bi

i gotta friend there.. he writes letter to his family and shit and they say its all good and stuff.. but i'm not buying that bullshit.. when my friend gets out.. he's telling mee wtf happened.. and if they fuked him up.. which they probably did.. were going back there wit my crew.. and theres gonna be hell to pay..

OoDemOnBoioO that wont work...all the Jamacians will just call the police and then they will all attack you guy. They know how to hangdle that shit. I mean with all the riots they have there. The best thing to do...is to get a good lawyer and go after them like that...when ur freind gets out contact me and ill see what i can do for u...k bye

Jamaica is a nightmare... i was sent there after spending about three months at Ivy Ridge... I was there from April-November. I still have nightmares at least twice a week that i am going to be sent back there.. I wouldnt suggest sending ur children there to anyone! And about the riot thing... there was a riot there rigt before i left... doing that wouldnt help anything.. all it would do is make the rest of the kids there who had notihng to do with it suffer. The sad thing is they know exactly wat they are doing out there and what they are hiding..Sadly a lot of the program is bullshit and wat they tell our parents has got them totally blinded. Children are mistreated and underfed, not properly taken care of and abused. After one of my restraints i had huge bruises all over my hips the US embassy came the next day and convienantly i got pink eye which kept me hidden for the time being... with no proof of what goes on in there.. u are screwed. Sadly it seems as tho no matter how many people speak out about it no one is heard.

hi everyone? my boyfriend was at casa by the sea for 3 months, now he is being transferred to tb. i don't know what to believe about tb anymore. could somebody please e-mail with some information. could i still have contact with him?

WHY DOES AMERICA LET THIS GO ON?! I just read about this today and I HATE this program. How the hell could you do this to your children? Why not just kill them instead? I would rather be dead then to be in torture having my arms broken. How could the US government let this go on? Thats just insane. And Maggie, I'm sorry hunny, but you are a dumbass. No child deserves this. I would rather go to the penetentry than be there. How do you guys look at your parents? I would never EVER forgive my parents. In fact, I would physically hurt them if I saw them. If you are thinking about sending your child to this place DO NOT. SEND THEM TO A COUNSELER OR BOOT CAMP. DO NOT SEND YOUR LOVED ONE TO TRANQUILITY BAY! I know how it would feel. You feel trapped and no one is with you. You feel alone and scared. This seems like something that would happen in a movie, not in real life. It is insane! How could you get off by beating a child? Thats just so sick. I guaran-damn-tee I am going to do something about this. I am. I don't want anyone to go through this. Jay Kay will be put out of buisness. I'll find someone who will stop this madness. Whether its the president or Micheal Jackson. I will.

hey guys...hang in there...we will get you guys out of there as soon as possible....ok i will try my best to help you...and look everyone just pray and pray...and god is with you...and loves you

if anyone, i guess any guys have been there within the last year can you please contact me popsquat86@aol.com

Maybe you should consider why any of you were sent there to begin with. Do you feel you are a complete victim with no warrant for punishment or corrections? You feel what you were doing was ok in society and we should just let you be? You don't listen to kindness or sweet talk.

And maybe you should go to hell. No one deserves to be sent there.

Hello.

I'm not a former Tramquility Bay student or anything, nor am I a parent or likely to be one anytime soon, and I don't know anyone who has had dealings with Tranquility Bay or any of its sister facilities, but I have been reading about these operations and I am deeply disturbed by what I am finding out.

Is there anything I can do to help shut these stinkweeds down? I am a lawyer, licensed in Virginia, in case that helps. My background is not in criminal law, though. Mostly I work on contracts and things like that, but I have done a bit of civil litigation.

Also, where do they get the pictures for the literature? The ones with smiling kids sitting in regular clothes with regular shoes gathered around a girl with a guitar, or participating in what appears to be a dance class, or things like that. From the descriptions I am reading, it sounds like these can't have been taken on site.

Inform the prospective "clients" about Tranquility Bay, but also try to reach the support network. The following link has a story about one of the men and businesses that "escort" the children to places like Tranquility Bay. If enough survivors contacted this guy, maybe he'd rethink his life's mission.

http://www.isaccorp.com/articles/legalaffairs.htm

The fact that this is allowed to go on year after year is a terrible terrible inditement of our society. I thought that as Americans we have always fought against the possibility that one of us will be dragged off in the middle of the night and sent to a Gulag to be abused and tortured. That is what they do and did in Russia, China, Cambodia, and North Korea. As someone has said, this is an open secret and yet the FBI, the Congress, the Senate, the State Department and others appear to be totally indifferent. I can only assume that the powers at be are either totally corrupted or too terrified of limiting a parent's absolute right to do whatever he want with his kid including sending him to a concentration camp in anther country. This is perverse and sad. We as a society need to look in the mirror because there are some very ugly things going on right under our noses.

Basically what these program do is, to put if vulgarly but poinantly, make these children eat shit and then pretend that they like it and finally make them believe that they like it or they will never see the light of day. If you take people and crush them, stress them, deprive them, traumatize them, terrorize them, deny them their volition, imprison them, isolate them and send the constant message that the only way that they are ever going to get our of this hell hole is to "work the program" or in other words to believe everything that the management says and love them for it, then people will ultimately submit. The ones who usually praise the system are the ones who have "graduated". They are no different that those hostages who end up idenfitying and supporting the very people who have kidnapped them.

damn its crazy to see all this shit after being out for so long. i was at tb for the year of 02, and made it to upper levels soi have much experiance with all the scandalic activity that goes on. the place is fucking hell, luckly when myparents came to visit me they saw how much of a dump the place was and took me home.alot of bad shit happened to many people during my stay however i was pretty tight with most of the staff and they looked out for me, it was all about bribing them with american goods. anyway thats all i got to say, hey charlie trung its good to see your out and well my brother of another color. and steven ortman dont even talk that shit about how it helps, i remember you and you hated that fucking place.

Hey everyone,
Its been along time since ive been on this site. If anyone knows Ryan Mann who went to tranquility bay um well a documentary is coming out and hes in it. Its about the Program. Yea when i find out what day it will be on tv ill tell ya k. You know what my opionion of this whole WWASP program...i think its bull shit. I think everything Phil said was true. I think that we should do away with every place that has to do with WWASP they obiously have no freakin clue what they are doing...well i got to go but if you have anything you wanna ask me email me or my aim screen name is Hawaiiansweeti99 Bye!!!

tb wasnt all that bad..you guys are just haters

Ryan mann what the fuck! im so happy to hear that you got out. man i remeber when you used to get your ass kicked in that fuckin hell hole. this kid used to get it so bad from the staff. i remeber onetime the staff twisted his nipple until it bled. Then a couple of days latr it swole up and looked like there was literally a golf ball underneath it. that place is truly fucked up. Ryan if there is anything i can do to help shutdown that place let me know dude im down. email me at Ballerstatus@knology.net

to Maggie... it is impossible to graduate the program in 11 months... when I was at TB in 1999, seminars only came around once every two to three months... you were required to attend i believe at least 4 or 5 of these to even get considered to get to the level to graduate... you need to go through three of them before you are allowed to go to a parent-child seminar... then you are supposed to go through three parent -child seminars before even getting close to graduating... so I'm not sure what you are talking about... the thing is JK is making a heck of alot of money from keeping you in as long as possible... I saw this first hand... in 1999 I had to help him move a bed into his room at the top of the TB facility... He had a 60 inch TV a very large bed with nice covers etc... satellite dish hooked up... mini refrigerator... he had a lot...and I don't even think he lived there..I think he lives somewhere else... anyway, to the original post...I highly doubt someone graduated in 11 months unless strings were pulled... And yes, anyone leaving there is happy...and yes, you probably did get a lot out of being there...just like you would get a lot out of going to war...but should it be at that age... are there others ways to instill the same thought processes they tried to?...yes, many other ways... and to risk your kids sanity by sending them to TB is too great a risk... if you step out of line or talk without being acknowledged...watchout...its not worth it

Anyone know what is, or likely would be the plan down at TB with the hurricane coming? I would think even parents with, umm, interesting ideas about discipline would be a bit concerned about that.

I can't understand how any parent can send their child to a place like this. The very fact that they offer a service to have your child kidnapped would be enough for me as a parent to know that this is not in a child's best interest. If you are a parent and have trouble with your teen don't resort to this type of place. Call your local Division for Children Youth and Families and or inquire about local Junvenille Justice programs to help your child. There are better ways to help your child that do not include kidnapping, torturing, or beating your child into submission.

i have been in TB for 8 months. I have been beat up a lot of times. I was put in OP four times it was like hell. I tried to get out of that place and even tried to kill my self. Everything is terrible even the food. I don't know what kind of parents would send thier kids there. My Parents arranged to have me kidnapped right out of a restaurant. Three guys grabbed me by the arms and legs and covered my mouth and threw me in the car and took me to NY and the next morning I flew to Jamicia. The first day a lot of crazy stuff happened to me. I even tried to start a riot with some kid but we couldn't do it. I know someone that can help me shut them down she works for a TV station so she might help us shut this place down. If you want to email me you can send it to playermesfin@yahoo.com I will appreciate it if you do so
Thanks a lot
Mesfin

I am a "survivor" of Casa by the Sea. It just got shut down!!!! Apparently the Mexican Police raided it for complaints and found kids with signs of physical and emotional abuse as well as "iregularities" in the system and improper documenting and illegally holding american citizens captive against their will. I think they were tipped off by an anti-WWASP organization called ISAC. They have recors of lawsuits against WWASP and shit like that.....

Oh yeah, and as far as the hurricane thing in TB.....a lot of parents won't care. they will figure their kid is just fine.....when i was in casa and the war thing was going on....they were thinking about shutting down the border. Which means everyones kids would have been locked in another country when their is war and wouldn't be able to go home and see their families. And the kids in TB know nothing about the hurricane because in the programs, you're not allowed to know anything about the news and stuff. I didn't even know about the was until i got home!

Yikes, if half of this is true, my nephew is supposed to go to TB as soon as he is out of the psyche ward for telling them he would committ suicide if they sent him there. I'm a wreck because my sister has a coworker who convinced her that her own son did so well there. I don't know how to get my sister to look at the darker side of this decision. She won't speak to me because I tried to tell her there were other options for her and her son. I feel like she is flushing him and she really thinks she is saving him...any ideas out there? It doesn't help that I live 1800 miles away from them. I'm freaked that this could happen to my beautiful, troubled nephew. HELP!

I was in Dundee Ranch for a year. It was the worse time of my life as well. If anybody is interested in taking legal action against WWASP e-mail me at MiaCP416@aol.com, we're putting something together here.

Yah i was at Tb in 2000 to 2001, it was horrible i got restrained alot,i was hurt alot, i had to lay on my face on a dirty floor for days on end , i was hungry alot and it was a pretty tramatic experience, and i was really bitter about my experience there and i wanted them to pay and get back at them, but i relized i have no one to blame but my self for going there, and i have no to blame but my self for being restrained and laying on my face because if i would have followed the rules out in the world and other programs and in tranquility bay none of that stuff would of happened, there are consecquences to your actions, for awhile i was trying to get a lawsuit going against them and had all sorts of eveidence against them but I gave my life to Jesus and i forgave them and let go and threw everything out, it was just holding me back, my life was misrable and it kept getting worse and worse until i was just sick and tired of the way i was living and i cried out to God for help and He helped and changed my life, im more happier now than i have ever have been in my life, things have been great, i look back at that stuff and it doesnt matter anymore, im looking to the future, learn from your mistakes of the past and then move on dont let it hinder you from living life to the fullest, i would be glad to talk to anybody about anything so, just give send me an email and ill get back to you. Thanks.

My little brother should be arriving at TB sometime tomorrow. I've been completely against this since he was sent to spring creek about 3 mo. ago. I feel as if my hands are tied in this situation. It just kills me to think about what he's having to go through. I need to help him.

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to Matt West, please understand that it's wonderfull you gave your life to jesus and forgave them, but don't give up fighting them . You let it out of your heart, but that's not going to prevent more kids from getting hurt.

As for the rest of you guys, I can give you my personal advice, if you know someone there or if you knwo parents who are planing on sending someone there. Please please please look up any and all information you can and deilver it to them. and if you can't convince them, have them contact me ( Dingagedon@aol.com )and i'll tell them my experiences.

you guys never give up hope on shutting this place down. We already shut down one wwasp program this year and lets hope to god for more...especially tb right now...ok bye if u wanna talk to me for support or u got questions or u just wanna talk about it my aim screen name is hawaiiansweeti99 or u can email me at babygirl83607@yahoo.com

I was just at TB this past weekend.
The comments about how horrible the place is are from Disrespectfull Thugs, gansters. You should still be at TB.

This is tough love,
Where is your Respect for yourself? Where are your standards? Why do you speak and treat people like crap?
My son is there, 18 today and he will not be in my home as a ganster, smoking pot, drinking and not haveing any self control. No Goals/ No Home
He has not been beaten, he has been working to achive upper level and working hard. He is facing his stupid choices that could have landed him in jail or dead. So you children who hated TB have made your choices to continue to be immoral children. I'm glad you were in OP. I saw it this weekend, so what you had to lay on the floor. at the time you were being jerks what do you think you should of had .... nothing grow up and try to make something of yourself, from the sound of your posts all of you are still in the old image, gansters and thugs.

I am a parent in the process of adopting a child who came out of TB. The place is horrible. This child is a great kid. He has never used any subtance of any kind and never was disrepectful. He was being abused by his first adoptive parents and started to talk about his abuse. The parents then no longer wanted him. They had him kidnapped and taken to TB. I don't know about other countries but in America all humans have rights including children but when parents are allowed to do this to their children their rights are taken away from them. TB didn't care that this kid was a good kid they saw the money and took it. Thank God he is safe now. There needs to be laws against sending children out of America to places like this.
Parents should not be allowed to take away a childs rights.

To the mom with a child in T.B, Are you refering other kids to T.B. for the "kickback"? You think your son deserves to be treated the way they are at t.b.? I think he doesnt deserve to be sent there, I think you are the one with the problem, If you wanted to control everything in your life, you should have started with "BIRTH CONTROL". Just cause a teenager is a pain in the butt, doesnt give you the right to ship him to a third world country, When you are old and a pain in the butt.... i hope he gives you the same treatment...all alone with people abusing you..and no one listening to you because your manipulating!I know the stories from that school, You need to look them up, they all cant be lying! If you can sleep knowing all the stories coming from that school...God help your soul! If you stop going to the seminars, you can see things clearer..start with google search tranquility bay abuse...

Beautiful. I guess it is kind of delicious irony that many of these neglectful parents will be oneday thrust by their children into America's other human rights wasteland: nursing homes!

To the Mom with the kid at TB who thinks all of this is OK and everyone on this board is a "thug". You are, without a doubt the most stupid, nasty, self-important, self-absorbed, myopic and mentally diseased bowl of crap I've run accross (and that's saying a lot.)

You got tired of doing your job. You were doing a bad job, and you blamed your kid, and paid a gas pumping mini-mart owner to beat your chid. One of these responses asked "how you sleep at night?" You sleep fine, because you yourself are a sociopathic loser. You, not your child, are the only one to blame for this situation!

Ok..so lets not get nasty... my mom sent me there... but only because she was deceived... the brochures don't show the fish with skin still on it for breakfast... it doesn't show a kid's shoulder dislocated... you don't hear the screams that you hear while you're there... I don't blame my mom... And this lady or guy who seems to be anonymous obviously has been mislead too (or is getting paid by WWASP to post stuff like they did wherever they can)... LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR:!: They do not beat the kids when parents or news are there!!!! How dumb do you think they are? They know that there is a reason that the kid is there, and usually they can tie that into the kid lying about everything...and so if the kid lies about everything then he must be lying now too...huh? Take it from me and the hundreds of kids that have been there...They do hurt you, they do feed you crap, they don't educate you, they steal your money, and they manipulate the parents and the courts!!! If you have any questions or want details or even pictures proving I was there...email me

i got out a while ago too and because of that place im kind of fallin behind in school right now and i got restrain for wantin to stay in OP. what up Isaac, gage hearn,and RYan Mann.i was in the unity crew so peace and that place was hell

Yah i was at Tb in 2000 to 2001, it was horrible i got restrained alot,i was hurt alot, i had to lay on my face on a dirty floor for days on end , i was hungry alot and it was a pretty tramatic experience, and i was really bitter about my experience there and i wanted them to pay and get back at them, but i relized i have no one to blame but my self for going there, and i have no to blame but my self for being restrained and laying on my face because if i would have followed the rules out in the world and other programs and in tranquility bay none of that stuff would of happened, there are consecquences to your actions, for awhile i was trying to get a lawsuit going against them and had all sorts of eveidence against them but I gave my life to Jesus and i forgave them and let go and threw everything out, it was just holding me back, my life was misrable and it kept getting worse and worse until i was just sick and tired of the way i was living and i cried out to God for help and He helped and changed my life, im more happier now than i have ever have been in my life, things have been great, i look back at that stuff and it doesnt matter anymore, im looking to the future, learn from your mistakes of the past and then move on dont let it hinder you from living life to the fullest, i would be glad to talk to anybody about anything so, just give send me an email and ill get back to you. Thanks.

You can have a better life with Jesus and eternal life , dont wait until its too late too accept Him in to your heart, without Him you dont have much too look foward to except hell when you die

Charles, with all due respect, there is plenty of information out there on TB. I'm sure you want to forgive your mom for sending you there, and you love her, that's only natural; but, lack of disclosure in the pamphlet does not excuse away what she did. It may be a "reason", but that's all. And, buy the way, as someone who has been to TB, it's pretty obvious what's going on there, despite the "Dog & Pony" show for VIPs.

His Mom might not have seen eveything on the Internet,Some dont know, Ireally believe that alot havent researched the sites regarding WWASP, But the Mom posting sure has. Shes reading the stories,And She is stilling leaving him there. She should be held accountable for what she has done to her child, Thats beyond belief! Mother of the year award!!!

Matt, I was wondering how you been, I'm glad to hear you doing good, I would like to talk you, I will never agree with you that you deserved to be sent there.. I think if it was not bugging you you would not be hangiong around the boards, Im glad you found God, Thats a very good thing! You think God approves of what they do? Very unlikely. You know who I am, we talked all the time before... waiting to hear from you in California

Whats up people that was in unity. Whats up Gage and Danny.Post some email adress.

what up isaac email me at eclipseRider95@yahoo.com and if anyone need to know anything about TB just ask me.

What's up on Google?! You put in "Tranquility Bay" and a message comes up on the right talking about teens being tortured??????

Hi Isaac , I am so glad that you are out of TB. It sounds like a horrible place to be. How are you doing? I hope you are doing great. Please write a note to rhallen4@juno.com if you get a chance. Thinking of you and miss you! Take good care of yourself and hope to see you soon. Let me know if you need anything. WIth lots of love,
Aunt Margi

ANY KIDS WHO WERE AT TB AND HAD TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES PLEASE EMAIL ME. WE ARE WORKING ON A SHOW FOR MONTEL WILLIAMS ABOUT TEENS ABUSED IN THESE REHAB CENTERS AND WANT TO HEAR YOUR STORY.

This is one of the most appalling things I've read in a long, long time.

For a country that trumpets itself as the "land of the free," America appears to turn a blind eye to such blatant instances of human rights violations. I'm thanking my lucky stars that I live somewhere (Canada) where this would never happen. I'm not saying we're spotless up here, either; I'm just saying that our shameful history of Japanese internment camps and native residential schools has taught us to NEVER permit something like this to happen.

To all of you who are considering entrusting your children to people who have NO CREDENTIALS in the fields of psychology, psychiatry, or social work and who operate in a foreign country outside US jurisdiction: what are you THINKING? Would you really give your most precious belonging over to someone who had nice stationery, a pretty website and some manufactured testimonials? If so, you don't deserve to be a parent. Please reconsider. This organization apparently takes money for brainwashing. And thus it's blood money.

To all of you who were there and survived: kudos. In a big way.

I went to a residental treatment center... it wasn't fun, but no one ever got hurt or handcuffed. I've read into this place. It's nothing but lies and it should shut down.

I WORK IN A MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITAL AND I HAVE FREQUENTLY WORKED WITH KIDS FROM SPRING CREEK LODGE AND SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE TRANQUILITY BAY PROGRAM. OTHERS WERE SENT THERE. THE FACT IS THIS, INDIVIDUALS THAT GO TO THIS PROGRAM ARE IN DIRE NEED OF IT FROM MY EXPERIENCE. THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE ON THE FAST TRACK TO PRISON OTHERWISE FOR ANY AMOUNT OF CRIMES. THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE WORKED WITH HAVE NO CARE OR COMPASSION FOR ANYONE, THEY ARE A DANGER TO SOCIETY AND THEMSELVES. I REMEMBER ONE KID WRITING LETTER AFTER LETTER TO HIS PARENTS DESCRIBING THE WAYS THAT HE WAS GOING TO MUTILATE AND KILL THEM. TRANQUILITY BAY IS NOT A PROGRAM FOR KIDS WITH BEHAVIORAL PROBLEMS OR DRUG ABUSE. IT IS FOR KIDS WITH NO SENCE OF PROPER OR ETHICAL BEHAVIOR IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. I HAVE HAD KIDS TELL ME ABOUT THE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPEN THERE. MOST "BAD" INSTANCES, ACCORDING TO THE PEOPLE I SPOKE WITH, INSTIGATED BY THE STUDENT ATTACKING STAFF WITH LETHAL INTENT. AFTER ALL THE YEARS I HAVE SPENT WORKING IN PSYCH HOSPITALS I HAVE ACCIDENTLY HURT KIDS, AND I HAVE MORE OFTEN HURT MYSELF TRYING NOT TO HURT KIDS. AN ASSULTIVE INDIVIDUAL IS UNPREDICTABLE AND HAS NO SENCE OF SELF CONTROL.

TRANQUILITY BAY IS NOT A PROGRAM FOR THOES LIGHT OF HEART. I WOULDNT SEND MY KID THERE.....HOWEVER, I WOULD FIX THE PROBLEMS WHEN THEY STARTED INSTEAD OF LETTING EVERYTHING GO AS MOST PARENTS OF THESE PROGRAMS DO.
EMAIL ME IF YOU WANT, SEND ME HATE MAIL. I ONLY SPEAK THE TRUTH.

Dave,

Nobody is in "Dire Need" of being torured!

IT SEEMS YOU DIDNT READ MY POSTING VERY WELL. I NEVER SAID THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE TORTURED. AS A MATTER OF FACT I DESCRIBED WHAT RESIDENTS OF TRANQUILITY BAY HAD TOLD ME OF THE FACILITY. ITS A SHAME THAT YOU ARE UNWILLING TO EVEN GIVE A NAME, JUST A SHOT AT ME. EDUCATE YOURSELF ON A TOPIC, LOOK AT IT FROM MORE THEN ONE PERSPECTIVE AND MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

Dave, you're a horse's ass.

YEAH DAVE THAT MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING SEEMS TO HAVE MADE YOU, UM, CRAZY!

Uh Davester, Davemeister, you may notice that your third sentence said The fact is this, that the individuals who go to this program are in dire need of it. I see the connection the author addresses in the email that pissed you off. I think his or her point is that noone is in need of the absuive methods employed by the WWASP criminals.

AGAIN WITH THE NO NAMED RESPONCES. ALL IS WELL THOUGH.

JIMSTER, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION IN REFERANCE TO THE WWASP PROGRAMS, HOWEVER, DEALING WITH INDIVIDUALS FIRST HAND FROM THEM I HAVE A TOTALLY DIFERENT TAKE ON IT. I DID SAY THEY WERE IN DIRE NEED BUT I ALSO EXPLAINED WHY.

THE SPRING CREEK LODGE PROGRAM ALONE HAS NEARLY 400 GIRLS AND 400 BOYS. I GET MAYBE ONE A MONTH FROM THERE AND THE SHOWS TO ME THAT THE PROGRAM IS DOING WELL. I WENT ON A LONG RIDE ON MY HARLEY LAST SUMMER AND ENCOUNTERED A HUCKLEBERRY FESTIVAL IN THOMPSON FALLS MONTANA (WHERE SPRING CREEK LODGE IS NEAR) AND MET SEVERAL KIDS FROM THE PROGRAM HELPING OUT WITH THE PARKING LOT AND SOME OF THE BOOTHS. IM PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT I DO AND HEVE TOURED MANY FACILITIES WHERE I GET KIDS FROM SO I WAS INTRIGUED. I SPOKE WITH MANY OF THESE KIDS AND THOUGH THEY DIDNT TELL ME OF THIER PAST (AND I DIDNT ASK) THEY TOLD ME THAT THE PROGRAM HAS DONE GREAT THINGS FOR THEM. THEYSAID THAT THEY WERE ON THE WRONG PATH IN LIFE AND THAT THE PROGRAM HELPED THEM BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THIER FAMILIES AGAIN AND NOT WANT TO GET BACK INTO DRUGS. THAT SOUNDS LIKE SUCCESS TO ME. MAYBE I AM NIEVE BUT I HAVE BEEN IN THIS WORK FOR NEARLY 6 AND A HALF YEARS NOW AND HAVE SEEN ALOT OF OTHER PROGRAMS FAIL FOR KIDS.

ITS FUNNY BECAUSE MY FACILITY HAS SOME OF THE SAME "VOICED" CONCERNS, NOONE HAS EVER BEEN BEATEN OR ABUSED IN ANYWAY BUT KIDS SAY THAT IT HAPPENS. WHEN YOU ARE IN A PLACE YOU DONT WANT TO BE IT COMES OUT THAT WAY. I REMEMBER HOW MUCH I HATED BEING IN KOREA WHEN I WAS IN THE ARMY BUT NOW REALIZE IT WAS BECAUSE I NEVER WANTED TO BE THERE AND WAS FORCED TO BE THERE. I HAVE FOND MEMORIES OF MY EXPERIENCE NOW THAT I AM ABLE TO LOOK BACK ON IT.

I DONT THINK THAT PEOPLE SEE THE BIG PICTURE, THEY ONLY FOCUS ON THE NEGATIVE. I HAVE BEEN THERE MYSELF AS I JUST SAID.

JIMSTER, IN RESPONCE TO BEING PISSED OFF, IM NOT AT ALL. I HAVE BEEN IN THE MENTAL HEALTH FIELD FAR TO LONG TO HAVE THIN SKIN TO PEOPLE BADMOUTHING ME. I ALSO HAVE A HUGE BOX OF PATIENT AND PARENTS LETTERS THANKING ME FOR MY CARE AND WILLINGNESS TO GO THE EXTRA MILE FOR KIDS. I LOVE WHAT I DO AND DO ANYTHING I CAN TO HELP GET A YOUTH ON THE RIGHT TRACK. YOU NEVER KNOW IF THEY MAY BE THE SAVER OF YOUR LIFE SOMEDAY. I GO BY THE GOLDEN RULE, TREAT OTHERS HOW YOU WANT TO BE TREATED AND IT HAS SEEMED TO WORK FOR ME SO FAR.

Dave in Tranquility Bay or any other WWASP program they are manipulated into think that the program did them well. I really dont think that beating a kind for a tiny thing as looking out of line will really help them to succeed in life. I have seen the scars people have got from these places and there stories of there tourture...and i really dont think they did them all that well....what a waste of money!

Yes Dave, as you say, "ALL IS OK" because you personally are making money off of this situation. You are professionally associated with WWASP (directly or indirectly), and you are towing the party line.

I recently watched a British Tv documentary on Tranquility Bay.Couldn't copy it,unfortunately,so will have to disappoint two people.
Never in my life was I as sickened as I was reading about these boot camps.The likes of Jay Kay are evil.The US Government should shut these places down by force if need be-the kids are treated worse than prisoners in places like Alcatraz.The parents who allow this to happen are mothers-and you know the kind of mothers I mean!As for Maggie's observation-I admire any kid who won't conform at these places.Why should they knuckle under to these tyrants and bullies?What I don't like about America is its anti-youth culture-curfews,a ridiculously high drinking age,and tolerating places like this.

Go Mark. I agree with you 100%. As for the BBCII program, I think the transcript is on two different www Boards. One is Fornits.com and the other is at a link I can't remember offp-hand, but if you go to GOOGLE and put "tranquility bay" in quotes as I have done here, the advertidement to the right takes you to an interesting BBS, that does have a .pdf file which downloads the transcript automatically. At this point, it's about five or so comments down. I hope this helps!

I THINK THAT WHEN IT ALL BOILS DOWN, THE QUESTION WILL NEVER TRUELY BE ANSWERED. THESE PROGRAMS, THE WWASP PROGRAMS ARE NOT FOR FIRST OFFENCE KIDS. THEY ARE USUALLY A LAST RESORT FOR MOST PARENTS. THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE IN REGARDS TO TRANQUILITY BAY IS THAT OF STUDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE. GOING BY HEARSAY IS NOT GETTING THE CORRECT ANSWER, KIDS IN THE ACUTE PSYCHATRIC FACILITY THAT I WORK FOR HAVE TOLD THIER PARENTS THAT WE HAVE TORTURED THEM WHICH IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE TRUE. SO I SUPPOSE THAT WE ARE ALL IN THE WRONG.....I BELIEVE WHAT THE KIDS HAVE TOLD ME ABOUT THE PLACE DIRECTLY AND YOU HAVE ALL BELIEVED WHAT THE PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE HAVE SAID DIRECTLY. UNFORTUNATLY, MOST OF US HAVE NEVER AND WILL NEVER VISIT TO SEE FOR OURSELVES. I HAVENT MADE IT UP TO SPRING CREEK LODGE YET BUT THAT IS IN THE PLANS. EVEN THERE THE KIDS SAY IT IS NOT AS BAD AS IT IS MADE OUT TO BE. MOST OF US WILL NEVER KNOW.

ON ANOTHER NOTE, WHO HAS A SUGGESTION FOR THESE KIDS WITH BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS? OUR PRISON SYSTEM DOESNT WORK AND I HAVE SEEN FIRST HAND THAT KIDS PLACED IN JUVINAL DETENTION ONLY LEARN TO BE BETTER AT BEING DELINQUENT. THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE BASHING PROGRAMS BUT NOONE GIVING BETTER SUGGESTIONS. WILL LOTS OF HUGS WORK? NOT IN MY EXPERIENCES.

AGAIN, MR OR MRS NONAME.....I DONT DIRECTLY MAKE MONEY FROM THESE PROGRAMS, EVEN WITH A PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION WITH THEM WE RARELY AS AN ORGANIZATION GET REEMBURSED FOR HOSPITALIZATION AND THERAPY. SO I ASK YOU, WHAT CAN BE DONE BETTER? WHAT MAGIC CAN YOU WORK TO IMPROVE THESE KIDS LIFE SO THAT THEY CAN BECOME PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS IN SOCIETY? OR SHOULD WE JUST INSTEAD ARM OURSELVES AND BE PREPARED FOR COMPLETE CHAOS WHEN ALL THE SHIT HITS THE FAN AND WE BECOME SLAVES TO OUR OWN FEAR BECAUSE THESE KIDS ARE RUNING THE STREETS?

YOU SEEM TO RESORT TO NAME CALLING (THEN AGAIN IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME UNNAMED PERSON ALL THE TIME) BUT NEVER COME UP WITH ANYTHING BETTER. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SUGESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. THIS IS MY LIFE AND COUNTRY TOO, I DONT WANT TO FIND US ALL IN A BAD SITUATION IN 10 OR 15 YEARS BECAUSE NOONE IS GETTING HELP.

May not have to disappoint two people after all-might be able to get it copied.I still say these places are worse than Alcatraz was!

I have evidence, and documented correspondence with jay kay. i was in october of 2000 to about february of 2001. i was in success family. got it pretty bad in there most of my time was spent in op on my face or being restrained. Im from plymouth,mn. and i am now 19 back then i was 15.

Jesus is Lord

I know someone who might be moved from a WWASP facility in the US to Tranquility Bay very soon. We are working to see to it that does not happen and what would help would be stories from people who have recently been there and who saw or were victims of physical abuse. The person would have to be willing to share their story with me very soon. I would appreciate your help. I need to present my information by 1-3-05, so there's not much time. Thank you in advance. Please email me at julreed@hotmail.com.

hey matt its alex....hey will you please email me when u come back on here...please email me...bye

Anybody in Oneness in 1999?... I was your friendly family leader for about 6 months... ;-) ... I've posted earlier on this site some of my memories, but I would really like to get in touch with a few people... Danny U. Brian...etc... email me...

Oh, to the person who wrote earlier that there is plenty of info out there for my mom to have found out what was really happening... well yeah... there's a lot more now than there was in 1999 though.... Plus most of the stuff is solely found on the internet (we didn't have a comp back then)... But I understand your point... To anyone who might send someone there: Just spend a week down there... Show up unexpected and watch how you won't be allowed in... Then just stand outside the facility without them knowing and you'll hear the screaming.... believe me you will... we heard it all day long

Please--- i need help. my best friend ian committed suicide at one of these facility things in Utah. i have no idea what happened and i cant go on like this. it happened in July. If anyone at all went to a behavioral thing in utah where a kid named ian from new jersey committed suicide, please please contact me. i know that these places are so so terrible. it would mean the world to me and his parents if someone knew anything that happened. thank you so much

Hi-
My name is Brad Brisbin. I am 23 years old. I Have just started to attend San Diego state to receive an MBA. I attended Tranquility bay from jan 8th, 1999 to feb 3rd, 2000. it was hell. i was not removed from my home with hostility. But rather I was tricked to believe that I was to study abroad. this was presented In a video that paralled nothing of the real demeaner of the program. The video presented a seamingly relaxed life where you could study and ride jet skies. I was a border line troubled youth. I needed guidence. However; speaking from an experienced, educated, pragmatic standpoint; The Program did not offer appropriate guidance.

The routine,extraneous liveing included: three meals which did not provided an RDA specified nutrition amount. Unprotected, sport, physical activity (without shoes). extreamly strict rules with combative, inappropriate,consequences (for major violations some students where forced to lie on their faces for weeks. This Threatened the mortality of several students).requests for sanitary items (such as soap)were usually not made available. They became a commodity. This is a paraphrase of the vast activity that you as a student were unoptionaly forced to pertake in. This, with the combo. of the monthly Seminaries we had to attend made for a very disturbing, painful experance.

The way in which the mind of the youth is altered and manipulated, at such a young age is devistaing and out of line in this program. Upon my return home I underwent a huge I identity crisis and my self esteem was shot. There is much more nurturing programs and meathods of reformation for a strugeling youth.

Further more the Money in which students parants have to Pay is around $40,000 a year. Being a recent business graduate and a former student of tranquility bay I can testify that some one is gouging huge profits and funds are being misappropriate. Had I chose to be a lawyer I would have pulled their card and filed a law suit. I may still have them Audited. If I can find the audacity.

And on a closing note.Through out my day I have come into contact with many students who have graduated the program and are in worse shape(drugs, gangs, violence) then they were before they began the program. I feel lucky to be as successful as I am with such a strong will to succeed.

According to the Salt Lake Tribune, the State of Utah is finally getting interested in regulating the "Behavior Modification" industry. Better still, the new US Attorney General may be sympathetic to the idea as well.

If you want to write the Utah State Legislature in support of their measure, here's some contact info.

http://lcpdutah.org/List2005.htm

http://se16.utahsenate.org/perl/spage/slead2005.pl

Also, if you have personal experience with this troubled industry, you can write to Attorney General Gonzalez at:

Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001

If you want to contact your Congressman and tell him to get after Gonzalez about this, you can E-mail your Congressman at this House web site:

http://www.house.gov/

The text and web address of the Trib article are given below.

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2564302

New push for camp regulation
At-risk teens: A Utah organization could see closer federal oversight
By Robert Gehrke
The Salt Lake Tribune

WASHINGTON - President Bush's new attorney general says the Justice Department may take a more active role in oversight of boot camp programs for troubled teens.
The comments by Alberto Gonzales came in response to a question submitted by Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., the ranking Democrat on the House Education and the Workforce Committee. Miller has been pressing the Justice Department unsuccessfully to investigate allegations of abuse at World Wide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP), a Utah-based chain of programs for at-risk teens.
“Mr. Gonzales' comments suggest he will be more sensitive to this serious situation than the Justice Department has been to this point,” Miller said in a statement. “I will be watching carefully to ensure that he fulfills the commitments he has made in response to these questions.”
In his written responses to questions during his confirmation process, Gonzales said the Justice Department would work to engage states and directors of private facilities to ensure children are protected. If cases of inappropriate or abusive practices cannot be resolved, they may be referred to the Civil Rights or Criminal divisions at the department for action, Gonzales said.
Previously, former Attorney General John Ashcroft had responded to Miller's inquiries by stating that the department lacked the authority to investigate abuse allegations at private facilities.
Ken Kay, president of WWASP, said he has invited Miller's staff to visit the WWASP schools and would welcome the attorney general if he wanted to visit, but “unnecessary government intrusion is never the answer.”
“I, and all our affiliates, maintain that our No. 1 concern is always for the safety of our students and children in general,” Kay said. “I would be more than willing to be part of any fact finding committee with members of the [attorney general's] staff.”
There are seven schools in the WWASP network, including three in Utah.
One of WWASP's facilities, Majestic Ranch in northern Utah, was investigated by state officials three times last year, resulting in one conviction. Others have been shut down, including Casa By The Sea, which was closed by Mexican authorities last September.
Last week, a committee in the Utah Legislature approved a bill sponsored by Sen. Chris Buttars, R-West Jordan, that would toughen state regulation of the schools.
WWASP founder Robert Lichfield, his family and business partners have given more than $1 million to politicians in the last two election cycles, including hundreds of thousands to Utah officeholders and candidates.

http://www.wdam.com/Global/story.asp?S=2952277&nav=1Pw1WPXL

New Abuse Claim Against Bethel
Feb 15, 2005, 04:36 PM EST Email to a Friend Printer Friendly Version

Another allegation of physical abuse at Bethel Girls Academy has an angry parent taking action.

"I got a call at 11:30 at night telling me they're taking my child to the emergency room because my child's wrist is swollen and they think it's broken, so when I get a call back they're telling me it's broken," says Angela Roberts.

Last Saturday, Roberts says, she received some shocking news. Officials at Bethel told her that her 16-year-old daughter Angenika injured herself after she slammed her fingers in a door and punched a wall. But Roberts says she's not buying it. She claims the school's director Herman Fountain is responsible.

"My daughter says Mr. Fountain grabbed her and took his knees and put it in my daughter's pelvis area and grabbed her wrist and pushed it all the way back until it popped," she says. "That is ridiculous."

Angenika McNeil, the alleged victim, says: "He just jacked me up and he slung me into the door and that's how I got this cut on my eye and when I got into his office he put his knee into my stomach and started bending my hand back and then I jerked it away from him."

Roberts has filed a complaint with the Forrest County Sheriff's Office against Bethel Academy.

But Fountain gives a different account of what happened. He says it was last Thursday, and he tried to restrain Angenika after she lashed out.

"She bit my arm right here. I've got a bruise right here," he says. "She kicked me in the chest and in the legs and I just held her down until she calmed down."

Fountain says Angenika was not injured during Thursday's incident, but instead had to be taken to the e-room Saturday after she injured herself.

"Mr. Fountain needs to pay for his actions," Roberts insists. "He needs to be put in jail for his actions. It makes no sense for a man to do those types of things to these children. I don't care what type of children they are."

http://www.tbfight.com
new site about Tranquility Bay

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050216/NEWS01/50216008

February 16, 2005
Deputies investigating reports of runaways, abuse at Bethel Girls Academy
The Hattiesburg American

Law enforcement officers were at a Petal school for troubled teenagers this morning investigating allegations of abuse and reports that several of the girls there had run away.

In the wake of the reports, one of the school's staff members announced she is quitting. "This is ridiculous, I'm not going to stay here," said Nikki Rich, hired about a month ago as a drill instructor at Bethel Girls Academy.
According to Forrest County Sheriff's Department deputies, 11 girls fled the academy, although the school's director, Herman Fountain Jr., said only seven girls were missing.

Fountain couldn't immediately explain the discrepancy.
Four girls were being sought by authorities this morning. Others had returned to the school.

It was unclear how many staff members were on duty at the time the girls ran away.

"Some of the girls had an uprising and sort of took over the place," Fountain said. "They just ran away."

One of the girls, Angenika McNeil, 16, said her arm was broken after she was restrained by Bethel staff. Fountain said she may have injured her arm when she punched a wall.

Another girl was treated by paramedics for a cut to the head this morning. Fountain said she fell.

Fountain said he was not at the school at the time of the incident.

The school has had a history of problems with state authorities. The Department of Human Services removed 38 girls from the facility last spring after receiving complaints of mistreatment from the girls about physical and verbal abuse. No charges were filed in connection with the incident, and the school continued to accept students.

The school mixes Biblical teaching with military-style discipline. It takes in girls with behavioral problems from around the country.

Rich said the girls were providing notes outlining their issues with the school to employees. Rich said she had several of the notes and planned to give them to DHS officials.

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2592226

Senators join forces in crackdown on teen-help industry
By Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune


Two senators with competing ideas for cracking down on Utah's teen-help industry have come to a truce.
Sen. Tom Hatch is sponsoring legislation to crack down on unsafe group homes, but had been opposed to government meddling in private boarding schools.
The Panguitch Republican has had a change of heart, agreeing to add boarding schools to his bill, adopting language almost word-for-word from West Jordan Republican Sen. Chris Buttars' bill.
Senate Bill 107 will now give the state regulatory power over schools such as northern Utah's Majestic Ranch boarding school, reclassifying such facilities as "therapeutic."
The school's director, Tammy Johnson, originally fought Buttars' plan. But in the wake of a string of mostly unfruitful state investigations into complaints of child abuse and neglect, Johnson asked Hatch to adopt it.
The Senate approved the amended the measure on Monday, which now heads to the governor for his signature.

TV Judge Larry Elder is paying for a child to go to Spring Creek Lodge.

The story is at:

http://larryelder.warnerbros.com/recapTue.html

If you want to make your views known, send e-mails about this topic to…..

http://larryelder.warnerbros.com/letters_to_larry_contact.html

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ed31_democrats/rel42005.html

Representative Miller Introduces Legislation to Curb Child Abuse in Residential Treatment Programs

Bill Would Affect Facilities both in U.S. and Abroad
Wednesday, April 20, 2005

WASHINGTON, DC -- Representative George Miller (D-California) today announced new legislation to combat child abuse at residential treatment programs in the U.S. and abroad.
“There is no excuse for placing children in unlicensed programs with badly trained and abusive staff members, which could lead to mental, physical, and sexual abuse,” said Miller, the senior Democrat on the Education and the Workforce Committee. “It is truly frightening when the very people entrusted to care for and protect children are actually the ones who endanger them. Residential programs for children should be licensed and meet reasonable safety and staff training standards.”
In November 2003, Miller asked then-Attorney General John Ashcroft to investigate the World Wide Associations of Specialty Programs (WWASP), an organization with several campuses in the U.S. and abroad that provides “behavior modification” programs for troubled youth, for allegations of child abuse and human rights violations.
Miller first requested the investigation after The New York Times ran a series of articles containing the allegations against WWASP. Despite repeated follow-up requests, however, the Department of Justice refused to investigate. Meanwhile, allegations of abuse continued to surface in published news reports. In December 2004 and January 2005, news agencies reported that five U.S.-owned residential treatment centers in Mexico had been closed by local authorities for numerous health violations and for placing children in punishment cells.
In an effort to deal once and for all with the problem of abuse at residential treatment programs for children, Miller today introduced the “End Institutional Abuse Against Children Act.” The bill would:
provide $50 million in funding to states to support the licensing of child residential treatment programs. States would have to monitor the programs regularly to ensure their compliance with licensing requirements;
establish federal civil and criminal penalties for the abuse of children in residential treatment programs;
expand federal authority to regulate programs located overseas but run by U.S. companies and provide civil penalties for program operators that violate federal regulations; and
require the State Department to report any abuse of American children overseas.
Residential treatment (or “behavior modification”) programs are intended to help children with behavioral problems, like substance abuse. Miller stressed that many of these programs provide safe, valuable services to children and their families. But he said that stronger legislation was clearly necessary to ensure the safety of all children in such programs – and particularly in programs overseas, where organizations have moved their facilities to avoid existing U.S. laws.
“Parents are sending their children to these programs because of a promise that they will help resolve difficult behavioral issues, like substance abuse,” said Miller. “But the way kids have been treated at some of these facilities would make any parent shudder.”
April is National Child Abuse Prevention Month.
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I want to start an email writing wave. not a campaign, those are organized and directed. What I want, is everyone that wants these places shut down, to get the fan mail address of every celebrity or famous person you can think of and tell them about this place! send them urls to articles and message boards and sites about this stuff. Beg for them to lend thier support.

Enough of us, going after enoguh of them, for long enough, who knows, someone out there might take the time to care and show they care

I just left TB about 2 months ago. every time I think about that place I cry.they dont care nothing about you.they beat you and treat you like shit.I NEVER WANTED TO DIE BEFORE until I went there.it did not help me one bit it made me go insane!!!!!!! PLEASE DONT SEND YOUR KIDS THERE i pray for those kids all the time. I thought i would never get out of there.that place should be shutdown.If i ever had to go back i would kill myself!!!!!!! FUCK TB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i got out of that place 2 year ago and every one in a while i still think about the things i have experience there. FUCK TB,JAY KAY, Ken Kay, and ANYONE who fuckin support that place.

My husband and I have a son at Diamond Ranch Academy. Any graduates of the program out there? Would love to hear from you. We love the counselor, my husband's been there to see the facilty and we see pics. of our son regularly and get mail from him every day.

Well i was at T.B for about 8 months. My parents sent me my senior year as a way to get my ass on track before i turned 18. Buncha bullshit if you ask me. Nobody is qualified to do shit, and just the other day tranquility bay was on a news show because there are lawsuits against it. I was never sent to O.P or got restrained, but the place is a brainwashing prison. I was in Foundation and if anyone knows anything about shey jennings please e-mail me. We shared the same birthday and she just turned 18. I wanna know if she is still there or if she has got out of that place. My e-mail address is nicolas_back@hotmail.com

ronita, my neice janna is at tb please do you know how she is?6-13-05

I saw something very odd at Struggling Teens:

http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=001062

ABC is doing a reality show about kids in a wilderness program. And of course, with cameras running, none of the stuff we're concerned about will happen there. Those kids will be well treated by BM standards, and MILLIONS of Americans will get a falsely rosy picture of the behavior modification industry. And they will be all the more amenable to making use of what they think are similar programs. Only, with no cameras and no witnesses, things will be a bit different out in the real world. Thousands of kids will suffer over this, especially since new fly-by-night programs will be set up to take advantage of the increased demand. Those are the kind of programs where kids end up dead, like Aaron Bacon or Michelle Sutton. We need to let ABC know how we feel. A hundred thousand E-mails with the threat of a boycott might get their attention.

The E-mail address to use is: netaudr@abc.com

Spread the word as widely as you can.

nikki, my neice janna is in tb do you know her how is she

Petition to pass legislation to clean up the BM Industry

http://www.petitiononline.com/hr1738/petition.html

One of my friend's was considering Tranquility Bay for her daughter. As I was doing research for her I stumbled across this page, and read all of the terrible things. I will tell my friend not to consider TB even as a last resort.I am so sorry that all of you had to experince it.

to callie, i'm so glad you looked into this school there are so many other lock downs that really do help and take insurance . we are in southern cal. and there are several with licensed help and nonabusive.

To Janice, Thank you so much for your concern.My friend's daughter is doing some what better.Thank you again for all of your concern and I am so glad I ran accross this information it has been so helpful.

i need info..any who has been at TB at ne time of feb 05 to now please email me at spiceandsugar143@myacc.net

Iwas at TB for sometime after i was transferred from spring creek in montana. i was like the 92 kid sent there this was way back in 1997 if anyone was there in the excellence family or just there from 97 to march 98 give me an email and let me know how ya been

For those kids on here that were in TB and found it a hell-hole (where they tortured you or you heard the screams of others who were), why did your parents feel they had to send you there? Was this the first thing they tried, were they too stupid to think of getting tough and setting rules, or taking you to counseling, or getting you into other programs? Or did they just decide they didn't like you and sent you there to get rid of you?

How many of you were doing drugs, drinking, running away, stealing from your family, shoplifting or worse? Did any of you get violent?

Oh, and if you were in OP how did you end up there? Did Jay or one of the staff just decide they didn't like you and send you there?

Dave posted earlier that he worked at a mental health hospital and am certain that he can share there is more than a fair bit of screaming that goes on there too, even though no one is being tortured. I wonder how it is that you *KNOW* that's what caused the screaming. Several of you have shared that you've either been or seen someone physically restrained at TB. Why were they being restrained? Had they hurt themselves (cutters), had they attacked a family rep or staff member, had they gotten violent? Or was it just that the staff didn't like them and wanted to restrain them?

In most of the posts here I hear people blaming everyone else, taking no responsibility, and making assumptions. I am certain TB sucked and you all hated being there, who wouldn't. The question is what do you think would have happened to you if you hadn't gone to TB? Would you have OD'd, would you have gone to jail or prison, would you have contracted VD or AIDS?

So what's your alternative to the programs? How should your parents have handled things? What should the staffers at TB do with kids who are hurting themselves, are attacking other kids or staff, or getting violent? WHAT'S YOUR ANSWER?

OOOHHH PLEASE. The chances of them ending up dead or with HIV is VERY slim. I'm not saying it is impossible but check your facts, not likely. Jail would have been a better altenative! I blame myself everyday I sent my daughter to WWASPS hell-hole. Do you think it was ok when Jay Kay bragged about a girl lying on her face for 18 months (he said this) WHAT POSSIBLY COULD SHE HAVE DONE TO LYE ON HER FACE FOR 18 MONTHS???? Meanwhile her parents are paying top dollar for her to be in there. Where was her right to an education? If kids only get restrained for hurting staff or other kids... Where are all these hurt kids and staff?? I always hear its the untrained staff hurting the students. I tend to believe them over you because THEY WERE THERE. When is the last time you talked to your child? or seen them? Dont you think if the were running a straight forward program you would be able to talk to your child ANYTIME. or see your child ANYTIME. you need to get a clue

Shannon,
Let's start with the facts, of my sons "friends" here at home, one has OD'd and 2 are missing. His cousin had one of her party buddies found murdered, so while you may think it doesn't happen I can tell you for a fact that it does!

As for being in OP, our son has spent time in there for just 2 things: fighting (with other students and attacking the staff members) as well as cutting. Do I feel bad that they've restrained him and he can't do school work, no way. If he'd been at home he would have been retrained by the police or at the nearest psych hospital.

Next with regard to speaking with our son, clearly things must have changed because we have spoken with him. The last time was 4 months ago and we'll have another call soon (yes, even though he's a level 1 we have calls every few months). He cries and tells us he wants to come home, that he'll follow the rules, stop doing drugs, stop running away, etc. Of course he hasn't done anything at TB so we have zero confidence he'll be able to change here either (we've heard all those promises dozens of times before). He admits freely that he was fighting and cutting, that he hates it there and would do anything to get out (just like he hated it here at home and did whatever he could to get away, including the running away, drugs, stealing, violence with our family and others).

What he has done while there is get clean and sober, and getting a HS education. While he can't do school work in OP, he has been able to make up the school work he missed while he was drugged up and is now a sophmore (a year ahead of his classmates).

You can feel as much guilt as you want, I feel none. If nothing else I'm giving my kid time to be sober, a chance for therapy, and a HS education. If he decides he still wants to do drugs, etc. when he's 18 I can't stop him, but until then I'll do whatever is necessary for him to have a chance at life.

It would be nice to talk to him more often, but that's 100% up to him. He knows the rules and if he follows them he can call us more often, if he doesn't then we wait. We write letters back and forth each week so we're in contact. In addition because he's been following the rules and doing great with school we're going out for a visit next month and will see him and TB. As for an exit plan, if it comes to that then so be it. We are a family and if our son continues with the drugs, the lying, the stealing, the physical abuse then he isn't welcome to live with us and terrorize us all. Luckily, like I said he's been doing great and he's starting to figure out that being a lying, stealing, drug adict isn't getting him what he wants out of life and he's actually starting to think about what other choices he could be making. If all goes well and he continues to be honest and follow the rules we could actually be bringing him home in aother 4-5 months.

As for my son taking care of me in my old age, that's not going to happen if he's drugged up or dead either. The kid we shipped down there was violent, abusive, theiving, and drugged out -- he already treated us all like crap, so there was no way he'd ever have taken care of me or anyone else for that matter. I do end up in some "home" then so be it.

Lastly as for the parent of the year comment, I'm not here to make judgements on who is or isn't a good parent, we all have different things going on and different issues to deal with. I'm doing the best I can to raise my kids (including my son) and at the end of the day I know I've done all I can to give them a chance at a decent life. You want to judge me that's your choice, when all is said and done I'll be ready to stand in front of God and let him pass judgement.

karen, Sorry I took so long to respond. I cant believe you think it is ok to talk to your son every 4 months! It amazes me, you hear your son crying and can just hang up the phone! Do you believe in the exit plan also? Well when you are in a resthome(that your son picked because he didnt want to put up with you) maybe he'll call every 4 months. Maybe when your crying because they are mistreating you. He can give you the same respect and just hang up. It would be very ironic. I think you deserve parent award of the year!

Hi I am from NH and am in the process of adopting a child who was sent to tranquility bay by his former adoptive parents. He was there from 12/17/04 - 8/10/04
I am interested to know if there are other people from NH who have dealt with this place.
thank you
Karen

Hey, this is Carmen Watson... Tranquility Bay, Victory Family, October 2000- March 2005
Anybody who knows me or is interested in my story, feel free to contact me. QueCosa69@aol.com.

Janice, your niece is doing fine, thank you
for asking. You are welcome to pick up the
phone and ask her parents.
Karen, Great working choice to help your son.
Kathy

Hi m name is Edgard Toruno and i was in T.B. from march 1998 to oct. 1999... in spring creek as an upper level from oct.1999 to june 2000 , i was sent back in january 2001 until july 2001 , i was in oneness family , and with dignity anybody who nkows me can email me. i am a graduate who stil hates the pograms

Hey this is megan n i am a graduate from midwest academy...crappy....e mail me...mtay62@gmail.com

Hey I went to TB for 19 months, I was in Renaissance the whole time, I hated it and my mother gave up on me, I left when I was 18 on the day exit plan and all, I was looking for anyone that remembered me, Adam Zimmerman e-mail me and say hello something, I was there from oct of 02 till april of 04, anyone out there?

all you kids willing to speak out about what has happened to you, feel free to e-mail me. karen and kathy you need to listen to these children they have no need to lie. They are out now. please for your own child email them and listen to the stories....

sorry my email is morseglass@aol.com

I am surprised that no-one has mentioned the possibility of attempting a prosecution under Jamaican law, even in the negative.

To all you kiddies out there that went to this hellhole please consult a lawyer. The way to close this place down is with a collective volume of lawsuites. Even if you don't want to do it for yourselves think of the little 14 year old kids who might get saved from having their shoulders dislocated. You may have done very little. You may have deserved to go to juvee. What you recieved was torture and that is unacceptable in the civilized world. If any of you were sexually molested talk to the FBI immediatley. Foreign shores offer no protection to child molesters. I believe the WWASP programs are a criminal enterprise and should be subject to the Racketeering statutes. Stay brave, be organized. Fight back.

Congressman George Miller is still trying to pass legislation to clean up the "Specialty School" industry. They're a powerful lobby, so he needs all the help he can get. The bills is: HR 1738 " End Instituional Abuse Against Children Act"

Please get after your own Congressmen to support Miller (the House web site at: http://www.house.gov/) and spread the word any way you can think of.

This documentary will be released in the next week for download from Bittorrent. Check the link in my name.

This documentary on the subject of WWASP camps...
http://www.smh.com.au/news/tv-reviews/the-cutting-edge-tranquility-bay/2006/03/13/1142098386255.html

Has been released for download online via Bittorrent here...
http://www.mininova.org/tor/262269

okay now...MICHELLE...i dont know when you were there but it must have been way back in the day because i just left a few months ago and ALL stories are pretty much true. i mean, sure, some of the stuff was necessary because some stupid teens didnt know how to just shut their mouths and deal with the fact that they fucked up at home and that they needed to think things over. BUT...even if they DIDNT get it and caused more trouble, it doesnt make it right to abuse them the way they were abused. i have a question...were you PAID to talk all this happy bullshit about tb? get real! and besides the physical abuse...id think that the emotional abuse was even worse. try and tell me you don't "agree".

email me if anyone wants info....hamy04269@yahoo.com

adam zimmerman....i just got there and you left a bit later. i know you mostly from alaina.LOL.

I am 18 and left Tranquility Bay in April 2 weeks after my b-day 4-1-06 and i have seen and herd alot and there is a lot that many people don't know unless you experience this yourself. I am not going to lie about what i have been through because i myself was never placed in situations to be abused or severely disrepected. But the other thing is that a lot of the teens who have entered into the program not knowing what is happening are often scared that in reture gives them the thought if they react and act up then they will be taken out by thier parents. I did see that the case reps would convince the parents into "keeping strong" and not give into thier childs complaints. BUT what we saidin the letters were true no lies and not manipulation. We only did not realize what we were involved in so what some chose to do was sit and wait or completely rebel against everything and every rule. Some staff were rude and did have some that miss treated the students but we also should take part into what we do to antaginize more. There were girls that i knew who claimed to be sexually abused and it had shown a change in thier faces that something did happen while they were in OP. I myself was scared to do anything to be placed in thet room. Before i left the program i noticed the rules were becoming stricked and the staff members were less and less friendly more serious. its changing constantly and who Knows what may become of this place in the following years...

If any one wants to talk more about what i have said or want to know more about my own experience please feel free to e-mail me.

I would like to talk to you, please email me. I have a few questions about some girls in there, can wait to hear from you. MORSEGLASS@AOL.COM

A former staff here who would love to assist in the tear down of TB if I can be of any help please let me know.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2006-07-13/news/letters.html

Lots of Pro-TB letters in response to the recent article "Rough Love." Anyone with experiences of their own should offer a rebuttal.

The Programs that changed my life forever

Hi, my name is Melanie and I was sent to Casa by the Sea when I was fifteen years old, I was there for 11 months and then sent to ?Tranquility Bay? in Jamaica for another year and a half. Before I was able to return back home. It was the worst experience of my life. All I had done was get bad grades and talk back to my parents. It was a last resort I was told that I would not be able to go home for good until I graduated from the program or turned 18. No matter what I do I still cannot get those memories out of my mind. To this day I still have nightmares about it.

When I came home from school. Waiting for me November 12,1999 was my mom and the police, I was told that I was going to a nice fun "boarding school" and that it was going to be a great learning experience. They showed me the pamphlets and it looked ok, or so I thought. That night two large men, who were there to ?escort me?, waked me up. When we arrived at Casa By the Sea, I was introduced and told to strip, they went through my belongings I felt so violated. I was then handed a uniform and told to dress.

I was then escorted by a level 4, and shown around the compound. I was then taken to my room, which had two bunk beds by each wall and a tile step with a cot; five to six girls in one room. I was the introduced to the Alliance family. There I was told all the rules. When a boy passes you were not allowed to look at them. Each time you walked by anyone it was a rule to say compromiso (excuse me). We were only allowed to speak Spanish. It took me awhile to understand the "mamas, my case worked Imelda." If we did not we were punished. There were no razors, mirrors we were only allowed to wear sandals that way it would be harder for us to runaway. We had to ask in Spanish to go to the bathroom get up to throw something out, stand, sit, talk, asked to leave your room, etc. Our mail was read going out or coming in. My belongings and packages my mom sent me were never given back to me when I left.

The first few weeks were hard I got in trouble a lot, and were sent to the worksheet room listening to books on tape. I would then be quizzed on what I heard and if you did not get them all right you were sent back to the worksheet room. They made us sit up straight on the edge of the chair, hands folded in front of you starring at the wall for 8-24 hours at a time listening to the tapes. It was horrible. Also, if you didn?t do as you were told. I was forced to lay on my stomach with my chin up, or touching the pavement, hands tied behind our backs. They would force us to lie in this position for hours, sometimes a few days, until they felt we learned our lesson. Also, had to right a thousand word essays about how we learned our lesson. It was torture if you did not follow these rules or they felt you were being defiant they would beat you; the girls didn?t get beat as bad as the boys. I know of several girls including myself hat had been raped, and tied up for hours until they were done with us. If we spoke about or wrote to our parents about it we were punished the same way again and again.

Every night we had to write up our reflections for the day what you learned in-group, from feedback about your character. We had to finish them and turn them in to our "mamas," before we were able to take a shower or get ready for bed. The water was always ice cold and we were an allotted only 5 minutes. Then lights out by 9 o'clock.

It was also mandatory for each student to attend seminars. Discovery was the first seminar it lasted three days. They did everything in their power to mentally and emotionally manipulate, or try to break you. If you did not pass the seminars you were unable to move up to the next level.

The last two months I was at Casa by the Sea, all the girls were placed in doublewide trails bunk beds lined up on each wall. Two families to one side of the trailer. They put all four families in one trailer, with 4 showers stall and four toilets. When we were escorted to our classrooms the people who worked there would search through all your belongings looking for anything that you were not to have.

I was pulled from class and was told I would be leaving Mexico. I was so happy until I realized I wasn't going home instead I was then escorted to Jamaica. I thought Casa By The Sea was bad until I reached Jamaica. If you broke a rule you were whipped then sent to worksheets and denied food or water until you learned your lesson.

I thought being at Casa By the Sea was torture. When I arrived at Tranquility Bay I realized that they had most of the same rules and punishment techniques as Casa By the Sea had. However, we were not aloud to wear anything on our feet, forced to sleep outside on the ground without a blanket or pillow. The facilities goal was to manipulate us, and forced us to practice their religion. Or be punished for disobeying. When I had returned home I was completely shut down, I. wouldn?t speak to anyone for months. When I was home I was worse than I was before being sent into the program. I had completely shut down emotionally, and physically I am still trying to this day to move on from the experience I have major trust issues with anyone let a lone my parents for sending me there. It was the most horrible experience of my life. The memories will always be with me, and I have to deal with it everyday. If anyone who was there during april of 1999 thru february of 2002. Please e-mail me. It will help dealing with it to talk to someone who was there and knows how things were.

Melanie Loiselle
Los Angeles, CA

Melanie:

You are now of an age where it would be difficult for anyone to spirit you away. You have suffered enough. Just slip out the back, make a new plan, you don't need to be coy......if they come calling again. I understand the reluctance and the feeling of paralysis....one step at a time, one step at a time.

HOWEVER.......I would suggest you eventually send a long letter to the US Marshal for your area and document your experiences with the Mexican and Jamaican facility.

If you are still living with your..........parents.............you will need the services of a psychiatrist. These services should include practical guidance, such as parents would LOVINGLY offer their child, in making one's way in the world gradually and with confidence. It will take you some time to do so and be your own best friend......it takes time. Torture disables people, and you can regain that ground a bit at a time.

You should also have a personal physician whom you see quite regularly. Dealing with torture is difficult. Dealing with torture is next to impossible when torture continues. In a nutshell, you were prevented from dealing with the most terrible of realities for many months. Processing that treatment is important to you, because you want to understand how you lost your footing, and how the human race lost track of you. You want to make your way and be healthy and whole again.

You are in an area of the country where there are many Holocaust survivors. I suggest that, even if you are not Jewish, you go immediately to one of these groups for assistance. Pick up the phone and call a temple nearby until you reach one of the groups.

If they don't "get it", have them e-mail me to discuss the many reasons why you are in need of unshakeable support right now.

Annie 4morris@bellsouth.net

I was in Dignity with Nick Schade, Zac Johnson, Josh Warnimont, Dan Byron, Javier Smith, and a lot of people I miss.308 390 8812 Call me if you see this

There is a big lawsuit going on against WWASP at the moment, and it just recruited twenty five new plaintiffs. Anyone wishing to get in on it should contact: the Turley Law Firm at: 1-800-692-4025. Their website is at: www.wturley.com.